In Tennessee If She Doesn't Marry You She Has To Give The Ring Back »
Posted by: AnnieGUN 11 months, 1 week agoOkay, well that settles that. In Tennessee at least. The Tennessee Court Of Appeals has sided with the one who spent the money on the ring in the first place, which is usually the guy
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Jaydee4011 months, 1 week ago
Well said jovial, some women have a special jewelery box just for engagement rings. When a woman says yes it's a contract or agreement and when the deal falls through she should give it back and he should give any thing back to her that she gave to him for the same reason. Engagements rings and wedding rings are not gifts, they are symbols and represent the agreement you both have made to each other.
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sumptuousdigs11 months, 1 week ago
I agree with you jovial, in principle. The best advice I have is don't spend more than you can afford to lose. If the runaway bride will not surrender the symbol of troth, (as anyone of honor would do if it were they that broke the engagement), then run like hell in the other direction!
And don't look back!
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lizaveta11 months, 1 week ago
I am thinking maybe it was a family ring .. even possibly family heirloom. If I was the guy and she kept my mom's ring or my gramdmothersâ;¦ I'd fight for it also. Now, if it was just a normal ring I'd forget it and hope she choked on the sucker.
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AnnieGUN11 months, 1 week ago
If you give the girl a diamond necklace and she dumps you, thems the breaks. If you offer a conditional gift as an offer of intent to spend the rest of your days with the girl, she has but two choices. If she offers up a yes and then backs out, that's no different than a contractor who balks after accepting a deposit to remodel your house. Cough it up. A gift is a gift, although one 'gives' it, an engagement ring is not a gift.
You gotta consider the heirloom factor; if you give a girl a stone cut for your great-grandmother that was passed down to you, and you catch the girl catting on you, are you obliged to surrender a piece of family history because your girlfriend/fiance is a ho?
Look, if I was an unlucky guy whose fiance kicked him to the curb, there is only one thing I'd do with the returned ring: sell it back to the jewler for a substantial loss, take the money, call up some bros and take the bros/refunded loot to Vegas.
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globalwarmer11 months, 1 week ago
Can you imagine the pain of making monthly payments for a ring to a girl who has allready moved on. Yes rings can get very expensive.
Its kinda like a guy proposing to a girl while presenting the ring and the chick says "no but thanks for the ring" .
It just doesn't work that way.
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jordan1111 months, 1 week ago
I go along with that if he changed his mind, or they both decided to call it off. But if the woman called it off, I don't agree he should have to pay for half.
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koranagirl11 months, 1 week ago
Yeah, kind of like a mini divorce, sell everything, pay of the expenses and move forward. No one should keep or give back anything. It should be sold and the liabilities paid off.
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Jaydee4011 months, 1 week ago
I am 40 years old and have never known of the woman paying for the wedding before, the brides family traditionally did but it always seems to be the couple paying the lions share with family and friend chipping in tho help here and there. Now if you break up after you inure cost they should be divided in half unless one party insisted in extravagant items without consulting the other party, in that case the person responsible should cover them.
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AnnieGUN11 months, 1 week ago
Well, I think men should think about this prior to falling in love (aka testosteronitis of the brain). When you decide to become engaged, give an engagement ring that a simple non lifetime in debt, take me the cleaners, strip me naked leave me out in the cold ring, that is meaningless so if by chance things don't work out you can still be a man and walk away with one less thing to hate about her. Otherwise, Some time during your engagement you "together" pick out the huge expensive breathtaking ring of her dreams to keep in the safe deposit box until the day of the wedding.
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koranagirl11 months, 1 week ago
Okay, that's a clue to her. If any guy told me he was going to buy a ring and keep it in a safe deposit box until the wedding, I'd dump him right there. The ring is to show off to friends and family how kind and caring your fiance is, and don't mess with me when he acts like a slob, comes over, drinks a bunch of beer watching the game and falls asleep on the sofa (actual dumb comment from my mother in law over my brother in law--sheesh, I couldn't care less, sounds like a normal guy to me, leave him alone, he works hard and is nice to her daughter--and he DID get her a nice diamond and helped pay for a nice wedding). so if the ring is in the safe deposit box, right away her family will know he's not good enough for her. that's it, go ahead and start a marriage with a valid grip about the groom. great idea, that one.
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mamasan11 months, 1 week ago
that is crap..if you are given something it is yours!!!!!!!
never give the ring back
and the guy is a moron for asking for it back.
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ballbuster211 months, 1 week ago
if you have so much that you feel you need a prenup you should never consider marriage. because as you stated it WILL NOT WORK anyway!
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fishfry00111 months, 1 week ago
Right.... and the woman is completely without honor for not returning the engagement ring. Sheesh, talk about a one-sided state of mind...
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globalwarmer11 months, 1 week ago
globalwarmers rules of engagement:
If the girl breaks it off then she's a scumbag if she keeps the ring.
If the guy breaks it off (without a valid reason like she was shtooping his brother) then he's a dirt bag if he asks for the ring back
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BronxBomber11 months, 1 week ago
(I certainly agree with jovial)
Very simple: He pays for the ring, she breaks off the engagement, fine, give the ring back to him. If the guy pays for the ring, BUT breaks off the engagement, say "sayonara" to the ring, and award it wholly to her, and chalk it up to experience, albeit an expen$ive one. 'Nuff said, and fair is fair.
The article in the end asked what that guy is gonna do with that ring? He can always hock it, sell it to a friend or relative, put in an ad in a newspaper, or Ebay it.... HELLO!
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2sidestoeverything11 months, 1 week ago
If he bought the ring at a legitimate jewelery store he could trade it back in for something else.
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Francisca11 months, 1 week ago
It's what we call "the divorce before the marriage"! I agree: a ring (even without value) is an agreement, a promise, a commitment, a pledge! But they don't say WHY the marriage didn't take place?
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Charlson11 months, 1 week ago
In all the small claims court cases i've seen on TV, the guy gets his engagement ring back. Or the value of it if the ex sells it or throws it away.
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Truzseeker11 months, 1 week ago
Good ! Hopefully this guy will learn not to get married. Legally there is no benefit for the man, and hopefully he will start listening to Tom Leykis (www.blowmeuptom.com)
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Commodore111 months, 1 week ago
Yes I agree. The man should get the ring back. I mean why would the girl want to keep it if she changed her mind? To do what? Add to her trophy case? NOT! She should take her lumps and give it back. Maybe he can give it to someone else who isn't going to change her mind.
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koranagirl11 months, 1 week ago
Okay, from a lawyer. It has long been held that an engagement ring is a conditional gift. It is returned if the wedding never takes place. HOWEVER, if the ring was given on her birthday, an anniversary of the day they met, Valentine's day, Christmas, etc., then she gets to keep the ring. And the case can get even more serious if the bride or her family put deposits down on halls, wedding cakes, dresses, etc. and he calls it off because he may be liable for half of that.
Personally, I think if the wedding does not go thru and the girl has been hurt by the experience, only a cad would ask for the ring back.
In times past, an engagement ring often was considered compensation when a girl was jilted or left at the alter because it was assumed that her feelings were important & special. Now, women are just "one of the guys" and a ring is a conditional gift to be given back if there's no wedding.
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koranagirl11 months, 1 week ago
On the otherhand, if she cheated on him or jilted him, she should gift the ring back and apologize. Perhaps though he could sue her for lost value of the ring? He certainly can't sell it for what he bought it for retail and no one, including him, may want a used engagement ring with bad luck attached to it. It seems to me if a wedding didn't go through the ring is automatically of diminished value just on those grounds alone.
Still, if she or her family made any expenditures toward the wedding, if she has to give the entire ring back, then perhaps he has to pay for all of that? Then they split the difference?
This makes more sense, don't you think? Weddings are very expensive and the expenses pile up as soon as she accepts his proposal. The court never said if she or her family made expenditures toward the wedding and perhaps that was never brought up.
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koranagirl11 months, 1 week ago
Well, that's up to the parties. Even Abraham Lincoln said it is far better to settle than engage in litigation where only the lawyers win. Pretty much, any litigation lawyer will tell you this unless you are extremely wealthy, you WILL go in front of a judge or jury and you WILL NOT be certain of any outcome. There are just too many variables, judges and juries are only human and prone to err, you only get so much time and evidence to argue, etc. With expensive lawyers and court rooms, people learn only to do business with other reputable people (check them out first), get your stuff in writing up front, if a dispute ensures, try to be reasonable about a solution, and if you make a settlement agreement that's good, both parties walk away unhappy at the outcome.
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willottica11 months, 1 week ago
Hmm... this is an interesting question. Does the man give the ring to the woman, or does he ask her to wear it? I'm engaged right now, and I quite fondly say that "she's wearing my ring on her finger." That being said, I can't see this happening, but if she broke off the engagement (or violated the terms - i.e. by cheating), I would expect the ring back. Conversely, if I broke off the engagement or cheated on her, then I would expect to forfeit it.
I proposed on her birthday, BUT, it wasn't the only thing I gave her that day. (In fact the other gifts that accompanied it added up to a considerable monetary value.)
This article says nothing about who ended it. If it was mutual, it might be fair to let her keep it/sell it to pay non-refundable deposits... but in this day and age, the bride isn't always the one paying.
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jlm076911 months, 1 week ago
I've always felt that if the man breaks the engagement, the woman keeps the ring. If she breaks it off, she returns it. The only exception to this is the family heirloom exception, in which, regardless of who breaks off the engagement, should always be returned. My opinion.
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ballbuster211 months, 1 week ago
mamasan, sounds a bit like you have allot of experiance along this line, fact! in asia that's what your name, in a since, would be in reference to. take, take, take.
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